Percy Sledge. Luther Ingram. The Four Seasons. Al Green. Lenny Kravitz. Sheena Easton. Freddy Fender. Guitar Slim. The Spaniels. The Trammps.
The Crystals. Kenny Rogers. Amanda September 29, am. I love William Michael Morgan and his music. CCRR September 29, am. I think I just figured SCM out…. Conservative and want to keep with tradition, but not in a crazy, confederate flag waving kind of way. Am I right?? No wonder I feel out of place. He never released it. I think it was written by someone he commonly co-wrote with. I forget who.
Casey something? Anyways…just throwing that out there…. It sounds like this is a real boundary for you. My favorite artists are from all different political backgrounds.
CCRR September 29, pm. I was trying to make a comparison…. IF music were politics…. Brandon F September 29, pm. I thought it was written by Church and Casey Beathard but credits seem to only show Beathard.
Eric talked about the background of the song when he played it at CRS in and made it sound like he wrote it. They collaborate frequently. Could be why he never put it out on his own. The shift in demographics over the years has been really interesting to see.
Neat perspective! Every other article about the genre mentions that the infighting has reached a peak not seen in country music history, and with good reason. SCM is one of those internet havens that has long appealed to the underground scene, but with the influx of terrible and inauthentic music in the last few years, more and more people are jumping ship.
Benny Lee September 29, am. The sound is country enough. I just think the soul is missing. Still a billion times better than anything else on the radio…. I feel the same way. Its like soft country, which is better than other stuff on the radio.
But it is country and I hope he does well. ManBearPig September 29, pm. One word to describe this….. Not saying its horrible, just not my style. True country music is vanilla. Corncaster September 29, pm. Only sometimes. Other times I love the music, buy the CD, and tell everyone I know to buy it, too. Kinda like how my Pat Reedy CD just got here today! Even went out of my way to email the guy and ask what site got him the biggest cut when I buy-cdbaby.
ThatFireGuy13 September 29, pm. Mike2 September 29, pm. Sounds like George Strait in his heyday, which is a good thing. He also sounds a lot like an Easton Corbin at the beginning of his career, which makes me a bit nervous because we all know how that turned out. Biscuit September 29, pm. Pre-ordered this and have the EP, good stuff. Totally agree that we ahould buy several copies each and give as holiday gifts since labels will only pay attention if it makes money.
I have often said the best way to beat bro-country is ignore it and put your money behind those artists who are working to support Ameripolitan music.
It is his best to date and an awesome album. In fact, if Jim, Mark and WMM would tour together, it would be quite the triple middle finger to bro-country. Still, looking forward to hearing it. What folks have to understand is demand for vinyl is so big right now, it can sometimes take 9 months for a project to get pressed.
Because of this and because it results in two sales instead of one, many releases are waiting to release on vinyl until a few months after the original release date. Brandon F September 30, pm. HayesCarll September 30, pm. Sam Cody October 3, pm. When artists dump their digital recordings onto plastic and call it vinyl, we should be able to sue them for fraud. K September 30, am. Describes exactly how I feel. He sings with the same warmth as Strait and Jackson.
Very informative. I have newly discovered Blue Note and I am trying to differentiate between Microgroove and Stereo on the label and I am not finding a super clear answer.
Is Microgroove referring to Mono or the actual groove imprint? The shellac disc had a wide groove, and fast rotation, which packed all of five minutes per side. Incredible info on this site! Quick question: Is there any way to find out the number of copies of an album were pressed upon release of a given album or series and when the second pressing occurred?
Blue Note sales figures were a closely guarded secret, much wanted, never disclosed publicly, but there are a few sources which allow us piece together some rough orders of magnitude. There would be an initial pressing run for the first release. If a record sold well there would be a second pressing, which might be a week later, or several years later, and some titles enjoyed only a single pressing in the Blue Note years.
By the mids record sales had grown and the initial pressing run of a typical Blue Note new release was likely around 4, My other benchmark is Mosaic box-sets, whose limited editions ran typically between 3, and 7, units, going OOP within a couple of years. You get a sense that the market for a jazz titles in first and subsequent pressings total was in the low tens of thousands. Total sales of Sidewinder over its first three or more months uniquely crossed into six figures.
I can upload from there LJC. Any problems? I can send you more information about this numbering, when being at home later.
Cheers Mladen. The vinyl weighs approx. The label has a deep groove on both sides. Any information on the issue date etc of the recording would be gratefully appreciated. Congratulations on the great site. If you have the original inner sleeve could help narrow the window. Thank you Aaron for that info. It shows 36 Blue Note covers in black and white on both sides. Any reason why there are different labels on the two sides?
Printed batches of Blue Note labels were held in stock for use for further repressings. The printed label was a consumable inventory stock item.
Much to the chagrin of collectors in search of certainty, you have to see the label as only loosely connected with the date of manufacture. Many thanks for all the info. Can I assume with a fair degree of certainty that despite the labels, my copy dates from — ? NY label, with ear in the run out?
Then definitely The exact detail of the inner sleeve will date it more precisely within that period. The promotional inner sleeve has 9 distinct variations. Since the record would have been bagged immediately after manufacture, and bagged in whatever was the current inner sleeve, that inner sleeve is a better means of dating manufacture than all the stuff about labels.
The only flaw is that people sometimes mixed up inner sleeves after play. Beyond that, used the inner sleeve to date it. Many thanks LJC. Brilliant just the information I was after. Many thanks for all your help and keep up the good work with such a brilliant site. I have acquired similar but differt labels of several BN reprintings on the Sunset Liberty label as well as Pacific Jazz Liberty circa With a Van Gelder Stamp by the Way.
All 3, even the budget Sunset pressings of which I have several, are good pressings and seem equal, in quality to the. Can I send you Photographs? Best regards,. Updated, cheers. In the case of mixed labels e. Prompted by your question I have rewritten the paragraphs about mixed NY23 and W63rd labels, above Section 2, hopefully with greater clarity, though I am not sure I can answer your specific question.
The missing piece of information, perhaps someone knows, is the capacity of the label hopper of a Plastylite press. If the first pressing run was spread over three days, the start and finish of the run could be just the difference between Monday and Wednesday. Spain has form on Blue Note reissues. I have come across a good number of Fresh Sounds Productions reissues recently Barcelona based, I believe. No idea what their credentials are, seems unlikely they would have access to original tapes, so I put them in the Grey Reissues box, avoid.
If anyone has personal experience with them, perhaps they would like to share an opinion. Hi LJC, Firstly, thank you for such an educational site. As a newbie to jazz, you site has been extremely helpful and very informative. Popsike has one listed with the labels reversed, i.
I am not a Blue Note specialist, far from that, but the first question to be answered is whether you have the first cover or the later one. I bet that yours is the greenish one with the two stylized birds. That is the first cover design. I suppose it is not a frame cover, which makes it a second edition. This would correspond with the adresses you give.. Thanks for the reply… The cover of this album is the pink and white one. Art Blakey is written in white and the title in a yellow. From what you have written, is it possible that this cover is the incorrect one for the album?
It was common practice to use up old stock of printed labels from inventory before using freshly printed stocks. Eking out old stock labels was often done by mixing side one or side two with the more recently printed labels, so mismatched labels are a quite common occurrence with vintage Blue Note. Why not use up both old A and old B labels together? Reissue is a better description of re-release by new owners of the catalogue, or overseas licensed issues, which usually involved re-mastering from copy tape and broke the lineage with the original Van Gelder master.
I guess people like to use whichever term best suits their purpose. It also has an etched BN-LP. I was quoting the seller. However, taking all this into account and what was written earlier, I must suspect that the album is a reissue. Like LJC said, they may have grabbed in their label box and put on whatever they found. I have had this one with just NYC labels, no adresses. It is blue note — hank mobley sextet featuring donald byrd and lee morgan.
The label is consistent with a or release although supposedly it came out in 58? But the etching is a problem? I have pictures if you are curious. Any assistance would be appreciated. I sent pics to LJC. I can send to you as well if I have a contact method, or maybe LJC can forward them?
Their presence is not definitive of original status, it is the ear, which you say is absent. The 1st edition of is Lexington, and deep groove, released January A 2nd issue on early 47 W63rd label, might possibly also be deep groove.
Your mystery record is deep groove or not? Around the time was first released, original Blue notes weigh typically — grams, with the odd outlier, up to By Liberty some old stock labels and cover without ear, typically weigh grams, none over grams.
The size of vinyl biscuit and weight reduced over the years, and can help narrow down the likely year of manufacture. I cannot weigh it simply because I do not have a kitchen scale — although I could very much use one for other things, so need one soon lol. Basically, without an ear OR the groove, I am giving up on it being an original pressing lol. Hi, got the photos Justin, first impressions confirmed. No ear and not deep groove, it is a Liberty reissue from ,.
It is manufactured with original RVG stampers, using old stock labels cannibalised from a second press around 47W63rd labels no inc or R both sides but the cover is Blue Note Records Inc, hence cover manufactured somewhere between end to It is very cute and quite desirable because of its metal heritage and vintage features, but not an original pressing Lexington nor indeed a Blue Note repress 47W63rd but a Liberty manufactured reissue, my guess Cool, thank you.
One final question, then — do you happen to know, or have an opinion, on a general ballpark value range for this? Even though it is a mid-period reissue it is still nevertheless quite rare, and rare is what drives the price.
An open auction on Ebay is the only way to realise its true worth, the whole world can have a shot at it. And I appreciate all your help, certainly! There are a handful of variations of this title all with original Van Gelder mastering.
If interested in selling and in good shape please let me know, thanks. Hi there! There is obviously the P symbol in the trail off, too. What do you think about that? Which kind of pressing is it? Is it a 1st pressing with labels and cover used 3 years later?
How is it possible? Many thanks for your attention. Not strange at all, Blue Note used metal stampers from the original lacquers for years. As opposed to a recording that is re-mastered from the original tapes, or more likely re-mastered from an unknown xth generation copy tape, for reissue.
Everything is from the original master tapes, including i-tunes downloads. After digital conversion, limiting, whatever. Remember all that Dolby stuff? Chop off the top end and no tape hiss, or music come to that. Nowadays they think the market desires more bass, so it sounds better through earphones. The original is as was intended, which will do for me.
Repress is doubly good, as usually same sound with years less wear and tear. I have the Thelonious Monk The complete Genius two lp reissue set released in All his Blue Note recordings. Would you happen to know who did the mastering for this reissue?
It sound very good to me. Thank you for a superb and informative site! Lexington on cover, cvr frame K. Thanks for any possible answer, Nicholas. So from Mode for Joe on the ear was no longer present. The first pressings of the following titles do not have ears because they were released sometimes much later than planned: — Free Form — Donald Byrd; — Extension — George Braith; — Indestructible — Art Blakey; — Blue Sprits — Freddie Hubbard; — Andrew!
Hi Seth, that list is correct, and twenty titles that followed, between and , are similarly on Blue Note NY labels, but without the ear. They were all Van Gelder recordings, and Van Gelder mastered. Thank you for the extra information. I have been wondering about some of my Blue Notes that lack ears. I saw them as a way to pay less for the Blue Note sound.
For a long time, I wondered if some of the ear markings were rubbed off over time or just stamped too lightly. I had to come to terms with the fact that even if I had enough money for a desirable Blue Note title, I would rather spend it on upgrading my equipment. Darn right! Well said all around, and I cannot speak highly enough of Liberty-era pressings, I continue to have great success with them! My 47W63, R has an ear on one side only. The seller had not mentioned it, so I was in the position to negotiate a substantial rebate.
It is without surprise that the sound quality is excellent, either side. How often do misprints come up? Hi Andy. Sorry if this has already been discussed.
Hi LJC, thanks for such a wondeful guide which made me started collecting original bluenote records. The question is it had many marks and scratches. I rated it as G and VG on two sides. Should I buy it as my first original bluenote record? This is details but the label is different from the one you are showing for the LT serie. The music is very out but also excellent. The Enja number is , in stereo, recorded in It looks like the cover has a sheet that was glued on.
The record has a white label. I bought it on a whim because I liked the personnel. The compositions are all superb, in my humble opinion. Thanks LJC- your invaluable research just saved me from buying an inferior pressing of an Art Blakey set. Dear dottore, thank you very much!
All the lower number titles I just Popsiked like , , and are all 47 West 63rd originals. What I think happened is that a number of Horace recordings were allocated catalogue numbers. Other titles came up and got the later address, this for some reason was set up with the earlier address, just out of sync.
I class this alike other mysteries: we can guess, but we will never know. Hi there thanks for all your time and effort, this blog is excellent. The pressings of at least the one I have are very good when compared to DMM or Capitols much more dynamic with quiet surfaces sleeve quality is also OK.
Thanks again. Great and fantastic job,LJC! Very useful, teaching and informative way of approaching to this label and a good help for japanese vinyl lovers like me. I own many japanese reissues in fact I love them because all the things written here, especially their copies are found easily in NM to M condition , by King and Toshiba-EMI.
I had heard that some pressings sound better than others, but I never did any test. Is it something natural? Of course, the records are in MINT condition. Assuming this issue is isolated to certain records and not your equipment at fault , it sometimes happens that a record may look mint but have been damaged at some point by play with a faulty stylus.
King were made between , which still allows a number of decades where tracking weights were heavier, styluses sometimes went unchanged, or were damaged. I know the studio recording was good as I have another copy, which is fine. The same owner may have damaged a number of records in his collection, coming from the same source.
The other thought is that RVG did have a rare bad day and pushed the needle too far into the red on a particular recording, or the remastering engineer in Japan was having a bad day, but not very likely. I had similar experiences with Toshiba pressings.
In the first instance, the record did not have the clarity of my other Toshibas. For example, a drum roll would sound fuzzy and indistinct, not unlike the sound of clipping. When I had a similar experience with another Toshiba, I was perplexed.
I have many that sound excellent, and I rarely play anything loud. I did notice, however, that the Toshibas with poor sound quality were pressed after I have since been staying away from the later Toshibas.
While this phenomenon is more often found in digital media, I imagine that a record, engineered with digital equipment, can also suffer from the same defect. I do have a vague memory of reading something about avoiding 90s Toshiba records, but my memory, which has always been my weak point, has not been getting better with age.
There is definitely a cut-off point with Toshiba in the late eighties, after which pressings begin to lose their vintage qualities. I suspect that like everywhere else, digital processing started to contaminate their output.
However they are still producing records today off the back of their previous reputation. You need to be quite careful when a Toshiba was manufactured. I have around fifty Toshiba pressings. Based on these, the issues between and 85 are in many cases top notch, those between are variable, and those after are to be avoided.
Did you ever compare your Toshiba pressings with other versions of the same music, including CD? I know it sounds ridiculously self-evident, but it would be the only way to assess the sound quality of a particular pressing. Thanks for your replies. I suspect that some of my vinyls could have damaged grooves in parts. I could have lived worse without knowing Jazz. And without Madonna or Lady Gaga. Very interesting and useful information…has anyone had a chance to listen to the new 75th anniversary pressings?
How to they compare in sound and quality? Hi, we are still waiting for a definitive response from purchasers, which I will not be one of. Opinions are beginning to emerge elsewhere.
More here on this:. This is fascinating stuff! It depends on the title and the sales volume of its original pressing, and we know more about the fate of Malaysia Airlines flight MH than we do about that. The provenance of the metalwork seems more important than All Disc Roselle pressing for Liberty, which was generally fine. Liberty seems hit and miss to me but so far more of a hit. You just take it in your stride.
Andy, the February sessions were not recorded in stereo — so, yes, what you have is a rechanneled version. If what you want is sound quality, then the Mosaic set is the one to go for. LJC, so by virtue of these being early Liberty pressings using up old stock NY labels , they should still be of pretty high sound quality, even if not Plastylite pressings right?
Earless NY and early Division of Liberty are one and the same thing. Mostly, Van Gelder recording and mastering, and All Disc pressing. Sonically equal, allowing for individual variation within any particular pressing run- first to last off the stamper. More than a few are not Van Gelder and many are pressed by a range of other plants, operating under the economic pressures of the industry.
Variable experiences from one title to another. Pragmatically, there are a range of alternatives to first original pressings which are more affordable and available, and offer a terrific listening experience. I am categorically not talking modern gram reissues.
If you are selective, there are some near-first that are easily good enough. Given it is impossible to get those coveted First Pressings nowadays because of less well-informed but more-wealthy collectors, this is indeed very good news.
Great record, , recorded October 11, Virtually every title from and up, and quite a few before, are earless and blessed with NY labels. The answer lies in the sequence of printing the labels and which plant they were then supplied to for the actual pressing. They must have had artwork all set up for printing Blue Note labels, and carried on as before until Liberty got their act together.
That is very unusual, the mixing NY and Division of Liberty, but an ear? That is the triumph of hope over experience. Nevertheless, should sound great. If the stampers for these reissues were made from old mothers, that would make sense. But if they had the master metal and could make a new mother, I would think they would sound pretty good. But if we take into account how little everyone cared about fidelity in the 70s in comparison to the 50s and 60s, they probably just used worn mothers to make these stampers.
Always disappointing, as they are readily available. Have sold them all. My French copy of BLP pm Art Blakey — A night at birdland has a similar label to the french one above, but sports the italicized microgroove instead of the bold stereo. It is a reedition. Although I find the popular opinion to be that Hackensack recordings are preferred to those done at Englewood I personally have no preference , at the very least a line might be drawn between titles that were recorded at the two locations.
At the time it was my honest take, based on my experience at the time. With several more years experience of bigger selection of Blue Notes and other records under my belt, on a much improved hifi system compared with when I first wrote it, I think I would write it differently.
I am reminded that all opinion, however honestly formed, is based only on what we know at the time. There are several releases where I have the benefit of both Plastylite and non-Plastylite copies to compare having sought out a pre-Liberty copy after owning a UA or Liberty era pressing and many of them sound just a good as their NYC label counterpart specifically referring to 60s stereo releases. However, there are plenty of well-pressed late 60s and 70s Blue Notes free from any kind of defect or significant manufacturing degradation which impact sound quality.
In the end, good pressing simply comes down to good quality control which Plastylite certainly had no monopoly on. For me, the critical aspect of any LP, beyond the sleeve, the label, deep groove, etc. In my mind the original mastering is what unwittingly fuels collectors obsessions with all of these other details labels, sleeves, etc.
Perhaps someone who understands more about the LP manufacturing process, such as Dean R. As far as solid blue label-era Blue Note records, I am convinced that new mothers were at least occasionally made from the original matrixes even in the 70s. If new mothers were in fact created, there was essentially a fresh sequence of stampers introduced long after the original release.
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Christianity Today. I'm always hearing music in terms of what I can take out of it, and I think I've always listened like that. Still partly the original label on one side and the new label at the other. Brandi Carlile. There is also something to be said about the aesthetics of having color be present on the side of the coin people most often look at — the side with the date and the bust. Basically, without an ear OR the groove, I am giving LP) on it being an original pressing lol. Like, what is the use of this song? The Fred Cohen official view is that first edition is DGx2. Jeff September 29, pm.
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